What Venom's Success Really Means For Sony's Spider-Verse

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What Venom's Success Really Means For Sony's Spider-Verse

Warning: The following contains SPOILERS for Venom!

A few short years ago, Sony basically rented out Spider-Man after the franchise-killing The Amazing Spider-Man 2. This year, with Spidey off fighting aliens in the MCU, Sony decided it was going to try its hand again at universe-building, only this time it would be with Spider-Man antagonist Venom. Before Venom's release, there was a lot of suspicion that the anti-hero film would be a dud, and that it would mark Sony's ambitious hopes for a shared cinematic Spider-Verse as dead on arrival.

Obviously those fears did not bear out. Venom has been a smash hit for Sony, enjoying a worldwide box office of over $822 million and counting, which vaults the symbiote over other more established and recognizable superheroes like Wonder Woman and the Justice League. Venom has also pushed Sony past box office milestones and helped the studio ink a multi-picture deal with IMAX.

Venom delivered without the web-slinger and its success seems to paint a rosy picture for the future of Sony's Spider-Verse, setting up future spinoffs of Spider-Man characters for box office riches. However, what Venom's success really means is that Venom has a bright future; it doesn't mean that Sony's Spider-Verse at large is primed for prosperity.

This notion might seem antithetical. After all, if Venom is the start of the Spider-Verse, and Venom is a success, doesn't that mean that the Spider-Verse is likely to be? And sure, Venom's performance is certainly the best possible outcome for Sony, as a flop likely would have killed the Spider-Verse in its infancy. Yet, while Venom got this shared cinematic universe started off on the right foot, box office-wise at least, it does not guarantee anything about the non-Venom films in the works.

The reason, for the most part, comes down to character. To kick off its shared cinematic universe, Sony picked Venom: a very popular Spider-Man villain that had already been depicted in live action. Venom is extremely recognizable with a cool look and he has great awareness among even those only tangentially attuned to the world of comic book characters.

Now consider the other names reportedly tapped for their own spinoff films in Sony's Spider-Verse after Venom: Black Cat, Silver Sable, Morbius, Nightwatch, Silk, and Kraven the Hunter. Of those I would guess that Black Cat or maybe Morbius has the greatest name value, but to say that they are a step down from Venom is an understatement.

Iron Man was a B-list character before his 2008 Marvel Studios film, but he was still followed by characters of similar popularity and name value with Thor and Captain America. Venom may be an A-list Spidey villain, but characters like Nightwatch and Silk do not enjoy the same cachet as the Green Goblin or Doctor Octopus.

This is in no way an indictment of Sony's choices; it's awesome that some lesser-known characters will get some cinematic shine while more still will be battling Spider-Man on the MCU side of things. Yet the relative obscurity of the characters coming to Sony's Spider-Verse makes the universe as a whole very much a question mark.

To Venom's credit, it didn't commit that increasingly common sin of doing too much universe-building for future films and not enough storytelling in its own movie. Venom simply used its end-credits scene to tease a sequel that will see Woody Harrelson's Carnage enter the fray. But by not teasing something like Morbius, it puts more of an onus on that film to sell itself, with a character that the wider public probably hasn't heard of.

In many ways it all comes back to the big question we had before Venom was released: "Can he work without Spider-Man?" The reviews for the film seem to indicate that no, he cannot. But reviews aren't the sole arbiter -- or even the primary one -- of success. And the worldwide audience has spoken, and in an indiscernible Tom Hardy accent, said 'We don't need no stinking Spider-Man!'

Nevertheless, what's true for Venom may not be true for the rest of the Spider-Verse. Just because Venom doesn't need Spider-Man doesn't mean the other characters don't. Peter Parker is the glue that holds these characters together on the page and we don't yet know how well they will all work in his absence. (Supposedly Spider-Man will be in the Kraven the Hunter movie, but that film is still in the early stages, so everything is TBD.)

Sure, like Venom, these spinoff characters have had their own solo comics, but that's in a world where they were first introduced opposite the web-slinger. My guess is that the less prominent the character, the more keenly Spidey's absence will be felt. And without Spider-Man to sell these spinoffs to general audiences, the rest of the Spider-Verse has its work cut out for it.

Despite all these reservations, Sony's Spider-Verse is in a much better position than it was prior to Venom's release, when reports of all the spinoffs seemed like a studio counting its eggs before they hatched. Now Sony has two 2020 dates marked for Spider-Man spinoffs, presumably Morbius and Venom 2.

The latter is the real product of Venom's success. Venom 2 will build off the first film's resonance with audiences and likely be a huge hit at the box office, especially internationally. But two Venom films or five that all crack $800 million do not a successful shared cinematic universe make. If only Iron Man movies were hits, it would be a series, not a cinematic universe; a team effort is required.

Still, Venom 2 and Morbius can begin to lay greater groundwork for this shared cinematic universe, using Venom as the anchor to build upon. There are other things working in the Spider-Verse's favor too, like the fact that Sony is clearly going for talent. Landing Oscar winner Jared Leto for the role of Dr. Michael Morbius certainly shouldn't hurt that film's chances and Morbius can be pitched as something of a horror/vampire movie as well as a comic book movie.

Minus its poor critical reception, Venom put Sony in just about the best position possible for its Spider-Verse to succeed. Hopefully Venom's performance will embolden Sony to make interesting creative choices with the rest of this universe, upping the quality and giving us something different than the MCU and DCEU. But it is important to distinguish what Venom's success does and doesn't mean, and while the future is promising for the symbiote, the fortunes of Sony's Spider-Verse at large remain unknown.

There are no Sony Spider-Verse (SSV?) movies next year but you won't be wanting for comic book properties as 2019 is chock full of them. Check out all of next year's biggest movies in our 2019 Release Schedule.





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However, what Venom's success really means is that Venom has a bright future; it doesn't mean that Sony's Spider-Verse at large is primed for prosperity. This notion might seem antithetical. After all, if Venom is the start of the Spider-Verse, and Venom is a success, doesn't that mean that the Spider-Verse is likely to be?
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None of that is to say Sony's Spider-Verse can't work; the early financial success of Venom makes a sequel a certainty, and the continued development of a Morbius film likely. But any success that cinematic universe may find won't stem from Venom.
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Afterwards, Sony will ultimately decide what to do, but given that Holland will still be pretty popular critically and within the GA, I think the smart move would be to rearrange another deal with Marvel Studios, or for once resell every Spider-verse characters to MS. It really depends on the success of their upcoming movies.
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However, what Venom's success really means is that Venom has a bright future; it doesn't mean that Sony's Spider-Verse at large is primed for prosperity. This notion might seem antithetical.
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However, what Venom's success really means is that Venom has a bright future; it doesn't mean that Sony's Spider-Verse at large is primed for prosperity. This notion might seem antithetical. After all, if Venom is the start of the Spider-Verse, and Venom is a success, doesn't that mean that the Spider-Verse is likely to be?
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The Scarface Remake Just Hit Another Setback, But Its Not All Bad News

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The Scarface Remake Just Hit Another Setback, But Its Not All Bad News

When last we heard word about the Scarface remake's development, David Ayer had vacated the director's chair, with the film still dated for an August 10, 2018 release date. Well, we've received an update on just where Scarface is with its production, and it's a bit of a step backward, as the film is now officially undated and off of Universal's 2018 schedule. However, the silver lining in this development is that a key player is back in talks to possibly take the director's chair: Antoine Fuqua himself!

To circle back in the project's history, it was Fuqua that was involved with the initial phases of the third iteration of Scarface as a producer and director on the project. However, he eventually dropped out due to production on The Equalizer 2 kicking into gear. This lead to Ayer boarding the project, which lasted until the director parted ways after pitching a darker script than Universal wanted to produce, and/or had to devote his time and energy to Netflix's Bright. Either way, it looks like Scarface is temporarily stalled out, but only for the best reasons.

Considering Scarface has a screenplay that currently has Joel and Ethan Coen's names attached to it, you don't want to just throw a director into the chair and expect them to make magic. With that said, there's also a chance that Antoine Fuqua's possible re-involvement in this new tale of a criminal's rise to power will require another re-write in order to fully be realized as a Fuqua-supported project. So naturally, that possibility will take some time, and as almost any writer will tell you, being able to draft without a release date is a godsend.

All this being said, there's one more problem that Deadline mentioned as rearing its head, and that's the status of current lead actor Diego Luna's schedule. With this new retooling phase to Scarface, there's a chance that Luna's schedule won't allow him to fully commit to the lead role he'd been considering. But again, with this new shake up on the film's production staff, there could be enough time built in to secure a new lead should the Rogue One actor find himself unable to participate.

If there was any sort of educated guess one could make to when Scarface would re-date itself for release, I'd say some point in either 2020 or 2021 would be the most likely. With the project feeling like a moderate priority for Universal, and its 2021 calendar already starting to form with Jurassic World 3's June 11slot, it wouldn't be surprising to see the studio staking out some other dates in the meantime. Whatever that date may be, and whether or not Antoine Fuqua lands the director's chair for Scarface again, we'll keep you updated here at CinemaBlend when the news breaks.

In the meantime, you'll be able to see Fuqua and Denzel Washington team up for some more ass kicking when The Equalizer 2 explodes into theaters on July 20th. To see what other films will be competing for your box office dollar, as well as what's coming up throughout the year, head over to our 2018 release schedule for further details.




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Why Dark Phoenix Is Keeping Jessica Chastains Character Such A Mystery

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The X-Men franchise has been going strong for a decade now, but the franchise looks like it may come to an end with Dark Phoenix. Simon Kinberg's upcoming blockbuster will attempt to tell the iconic comic book story, after The Last Stand failed to impress fans back in 2006. The pressure is very high for Dark Phoenix, especially as it's been delayed a few times already.

Dark Phoenix will pick up on the X-Men a decade after the events of Apocalypse. The story will largely follow Sophie Turner's Jean Grey, who is struggling with a powerful cosmic force inside of her. Helping to guide her through this journey is Jessica Chastain's mysterious character, who was shown as some type of mentor figure during the film's trailers. But the character hasn't even been named yet, and Kinberg recently spoke to CinemaBlend about this decision, saying:

The plan is to keep it mysterious as long as humanly possible. I mean, one of the things I loved growing up watching movies. The most seminal movies for me growing up were the Star Wars films. What I loved about them is I had no idea what was going to happen when I walked into the theater. What we've tried to do -- Hutch [Parker, producer] and I both produced Logan -- part of what we really tried to do with that film and we're trying to do with this is retain some of that mystery, retain some of the experience of going into the cinema not knowing everything about the movie before you see it, and just sort of having it be the sort of experience we had growing up.

It looks like Simon Kinberg's decision to keep Jessica Chastain largely under wraps ahead of Dark Phoenix's release has much to do with the galaxy far, far away. The director/producer wants to keep the secrets of the film secure, and therefore allow moviegoers to get a full theatrical experience in theaters.

Simon Kinberg's comments about Jessica Chastain's mysterious Dark Phoenix role come from CinemaBlend's conversation with the cast and crew at WonderCon. And considering what we know about the film world, his idea makes a great deal of sense. Spoilers have become essentially a curse word with popular franchises, as cinephiles want to be able to experience major releases as filmmakers intended. Studios are known to keep their cards close to the chest, and that's exactly what Kinberg is doing when it comes to Chastain in Dark Phoenix.

You can check out our conversation with the Dark Phoenix cast and crew below, including Simon Kinberg himself.

To this date, there's no official character name or detailed description of Jessica Chastain's Dark Phoenix character. While she's an integral part of the marketing material, she's only known as some shapeshifting alien who will manipulate Jean Grey. And that's all the information we're likely to get until the blnockbuster finally arrives in theaters. At least, if Simon Kinberg is to be believed.

Luckily, there isn't all that much time left before we get some answers. Dark Phoenix will arrive in theaters on June 7th. In the meantime, check out our 2019 release list to plan your next trip to the movies.






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